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lasor
01-07-2005, 05:16 PM
Hi All

Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.

For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.

As you may be aware when you purchase the templates you receive all content in html. An example of the type of site I want to use
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2435/index4px.jpg

I would be very grateful if anybody could assist

frobn
01-07-2005, 06:09 PM
The short answer is that you would have to rewrite open-realty. An OR template has a content pre-determined content area and the OR features such as searching and browsing fit into the content area. On the other hand you could rebuild the premium template to accommondate the OR features. As an aside, I have often wondered how anyone could fit their content into many of these commercial templates. Your example template has three columns with numberous boxes in the columns, I can't imagine writing content to fit such a design.

marb
01-07-2005, 06:58 PM
As Frank sey you can modify such template as from you example.

Most of the content that is showing is only on the index page.

Below are some links to mods that you can use, perhaps a bit modify, and install on the index page.




http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=4105

http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=1398

http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=2830

http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=1394

http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=2180

http://www.open-realty.org/support/showthread.php?t=1373




Marten http://www.open-realty.org/support/images/smilies/smile.gif

ican
01-07-2005, 07:10 PM
Hi All

Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.

For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.

As you may be aware when you purchase the templates you receive all content in html. An example of the type of site I want to use
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2435/index4px.jpg

I would be very grateful if anybody could assist


I made this one fit in a commercial template.
http://www.huntedhouse.co.uk/

pm me if you need my help or msn messager me thepcman@msn.com

Hope this helps

lasor
01-07-2005, 07:45 PM
Hi ican

I have sent you a PM

Cheers

Lasor

awddesign
01-07-2005, 07:54 PM
Hi Lasor

well I have been doing TM for OR for a while now. I have found that all TM templates have to be redone again any way as the do not design them with web standards.

I am doing a clients design at the moment
http://ore.awddesign.co.uk/demo/

this one is in eng and spainish

Also I here as well
http://www.bookavacation.co.uk/
still working on.

go to http://ore.awddesign.co.uk/index.php?id=1
and you can see more

If you need a price for convertion PM me

regards
Al



Hi All

Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.

For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.

As you may be aware when you purchase the templates you receive all content in html. An example of the type of site I want to use
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2435/index4px.jpg

I would be very grateful if anybody could assist

jared
01-08-2005, 12:25 AM
It could be done,
You could use that template with the alpha2 release of open-realty.

In fact if you had the original PSD files it could be done using CSS.

FYI

Jared.

frobn
01-08-2005, 10:11 AM
It could be done,
You could use that template with the alpha2 release of open-realty.

In fact if you had the original PSD files it could be done using CSS.

FYI

Jared.

Exactly what I said you can do, you can re-write the template using their images, and colors.

tombones
01-08-2005, 11:33 AM
The fact of the matter is that what you propose is as simple as "falling off of a log". Yes, of course, if you want 2 listings you have to place the template part in the loop that outputs the properties, but this is a simple matter. The fact that the maker does not adhere to arbitrary "web standards" set by the self appointed W3C is of little matter as is also the case with the ever snooty validator. Since nearly everyone on the planet uses IE and the rest Firefox (even more forgiving now @ 1.x) the standard is does it work? Folks who use "alternative" and antique browsers are simply used to content looking a bit "off" and their numbers so statistically insignificant among those who actually can afford a house this is a non issue. If, on the other hand, you specialize in properties with bunkers to thwart the New World Order or low rent shacks perhaps you should care what your site looks like in NS4...

If you like that template and want to get it up and running contact me.

BTW - It is a bit cluttered for my tastes.

frobn
01-08-2005, 02:55 PM
The fact of the matter is that what you propose is as simple as "falling off of a log". Yes, of course, if you want 2 listings you have to place the template part in the loop that outputs the properties, but this is a simple matter. The fact that the maker does not adhere to arbitrary "web standards" set by the self appointed W3C is of little matter as is also the case with the ever snooty validator....

You miss the point about standards. First, most certifying bodies are self-appointed, they gain credibility by the people they attract to support them. To infer w3c does not have credibility is simply your opinion. Second, web standards point the way to the future. It's true, that today, most people use IE and that fine for those people, but what happens as more and more devices other than PCs connect to the web. Sites using out-dated html will need to be re-written to display properly on new devices (most of which are and will be standards compliant). Finally, having a site that validates is an excellent sales pitch even you don't believe it makes for a better site. If you are a web developer using standards, many of your sites will run without any modifications on all standard compliant devices and others will need just a few tweaks at most. I am already receiving inquiries for realtors for web sites which can display listings on hand helds. Now this is only my analyses and may or may not change as time goes by, it may not work for you but for now it works for me.

tombones
01-08-2005, 03:47 PM
While playing to handhelds and such may be something to do it must always be judged on its ability to make sales - that is what the RE biz is about, right? My primary listing S/W suite can be controlled, to some extent even using the Phone.com 1.0 browser. It does not make sense to try a one-size-fits-all solution. One must look at the characteristics of the device to be served then tailor specific templates to that. Dealing with someone at lunch browsing props is significantly a different affair than the desktop user. My point was that the template intended towards a particular audience only needs to serve that audience- period. Handhelds lack the size to entertain sites made to 800x600 and larger. Simply replaying that content for the smaller size screen will always be second best no matter what a bunch of publicly funded geeks at MIT - home of the bland web site - think about it. Until you have actually served the small browser successfully you cannot appreciate the difference in marketing tactics.

Many trends and fads come and go in the RE business. The "virtual tour" idea is a good example. 2 years ago the trades were full of quotes about how this was a must have feature. Now, as we predicted, NAR's latest research shows that most would be buyers prefer a good selection of stills, good navigation and a quick line of direct communications instead. Now the trades - the same ones - are talking about serving to handhelds. We have, as I said, been serving handhelds for over 5 years. Those users appear to like concise lists and easy searches and the ability to connect with the broker. We do that - but not from the same code base.

Of course this is a matter of opinion for me. I also don't want the business of a Realtor who cares about validation. If the fact that we always double sales for our clients within 45 days is not enough for them then they need to be someone else's problem. The business of real estate is sales. A tool that makes the sales process work must adhere to the standard of effectiveness and no other. Looking at a real estate sales site in terms different than its ability to move the props does not serve the customer. The customer who wants to run the show is the customer I send to someone else.

I do not care if you like what I think. In fact I hope you run the opposite way entirely. That way I never have you in competition for my customers.

lasor
01-08-2005, 04:05 PM
Hi Guys

While I appreciate all comments oppinions and advice. I do feel we are moving off subject here and getting into a discussion that is not relavent to my original request for help on monster templates.

May be this is a good example for the need for a debates thread?

Cheers

tombones
01-08-2005, 04:38 PM
What else are you looking for. One said it was a bad idea because of "standards". One said it was easy with 2.x and I said if you don't know how to do it - contact me. If something was missed tell us what it was. This is not such a giant proposal. Like I said I think it is great to put a good commercial face on this app. The little work it would take to do it will be well worth it - but it is custom as the functions in OR are based entirely on loops. The key to display is to stop the loop at the point that your desired data is available. That's not a rewrite of all that much. For example I never - never! used the rows for search results. I use the more standard "business card" style results much like your template. Design and function 2 hrs. and most of that because I have no talent for "design". The only thing stopping you is you.

lasor
01-08-2005, 04:50 PM
Hi Tombones

Thanks for the feedback and comments. I have had several failed attempts with editing templates to work with OR. Mainly due to my lack of knowledge regarding php. I have no problem working with programes such as frontpage along with templates but obviously that is a different matter. With my lack of experience I suppose asking the basic question regarding converting templates to work seems to be very difficult.

I suppose my first question should be where do I start?

I have a basic install on my test site and I have a html template (above)?


PS

What I would like to do is setup a walkthrough for converting a OR installation to use a premium template.

I would setup a clean install of OR and give all taking part full access to the server then I would like to start a thread that takes each stage and completes it giving full instructions of what has been done in basic terms. Hopefully this would form a good walkthrough for all members to follow. If you are interested in contributing some of your time and knowledge to this then please let me know.

awddesign
01-09-2005, 03:16 PM
Hi

ref: Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.
For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.--end--

Just so I know
do you want free help Or do you want to pay for it?

Al
http://ore.awddesign.co.uk

lasor
01-09-2005, 03:27 PM
Just so I know
do you want free help Or do you want to pay for it?

Al
http://ore.awddesign.co.uk

Hi Al

I am affraid I am not in a financial postion to request paid help and I am currently trying to learn therefore I am asking for free help. However I would be interested in a quote for a copy of your design http://www.bookavacation.co.uk/ if you would like to PM me.

Thanks for your response

Lasor

frobn
01-09-2005, 03:45 PM
I think you are where most realtors who come to open-realty are. They need a solution, i.e. a professional looking, user friendly web site. Whether you use standards or not, it takes experience and time to produce a professional template. It is possible to port a commercial template to OR but if you would like to share it you will mostly likely need the permission of the copyright holder.

Where to start? You don't need to know much about PHP, what you do need to know, is the OR template concept. I have written a brief how-to which you can find at: http://support.open-realty.org/showthread.php?t=1752&highlight=how-to. The how-to discusses the concept behind an OR ver 1+ template. If you follow the concept you can build a template or port a design in FrontPage, Dreamwearver or any html editor. I don't recommend FrontPage. Although the How-to is written for tables my preference is to handcraft the template in css/xhtml.

After you have an understanding of how the OR template works then sketch out how you want the template to look and what colors you want. There are several usability problems with the monster template you selected so I also recommend researching how design effects usability and accessibility.

Several of us create and port templates for a reasonable fee and thanks that many realtors and agents find and appreciate the value they receive. When you hire a professional web designer you get more than just the template, you also get thier experience on enhancing the usability of your site. There are also several professional quality free templates available here, AWT has just contributed the "nice blue design" awddesign has contributed many commercial quality templates which have been downloaded over 2000 times, and my css/xhtml winds design are examples of free templates, there are many others. I should also mention the vertical-menu template is high quality and easy to modify.

Just a brief mention about CSS/xhtml. It is not meant to be a one-size fits all but when you use standards it can make your site accessible and useable on ANY standard compliant browser or device. That is the beauty and elegance of CSS/xhtml design.

lasor
01-09-2005, 04:51 PM
Hi Frank

Thanks for your feedback and comments.

I think if I explain a little about myself you will understand what I am about...First of all I am not a realtor infact I am currently unemployed, Obviously being unemployed leaves me with a lot of spare time and I have decided to use this time to try and learn a little about web design. I choose the OR project firstly because it was free and secondly because it involved using a database which is something else I am trying to learn in my spare time.

With the help of this forum and members I have so far manage to create some sort of start with www.website its not great but it is a start and estate agents have signed up to it. For this help I have made a small donation to OR

My honest intention is to try and create something more professional looking so that eventually I may even be able to earn a living from it.

I appreciate that a number of guys on this site are creating and converting excelent templates and can appreciate they must charge for there services. This is why I want to attempt to create the site my self. It will not only give me a better understanding of OR, but will also give me a better understanding of web design in general.

Cheers

Lasor

tombones
01-10-2005, 08:24 PM
Lasor,

As a result of the thinking inspired by your post I have been able to develop relationships with several template houses. This would not have happened without you. In return we would be happy to fit OR into the template you showed above free of charge - deal? If this works for you let's get on it.

lasor
01-11-2005, 07:50 AM
Hi Tombones

Thank you for your response I have sent you a PM.

jared
01-13-2005, 10:46 PM
**CONTENT REMOVED BY JARED**
Jared.

webboy
08-05-2006, 11:03 PM
By the way what Monster Template is this ?



Hi All

Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.

For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.

As you may be aware when you purchase the templates you receive all content in html. An example of the type of site I want to use
http://img155.exs.cx/img155/2435/index4px.jpg

I would be very grateful if anybody could assist

awddesign
08-06-2006, 04:49 AM
Hi

this is not a Monster Template, no idea who is the designer.


Al

cepforum
03-09-2007, 01:20 PM
whats free download links ??

AWT
03-27-2007, 10:07 PM
This was a older template monster theme i think

Lots of the older real estate themes once purchased for the perium price, are removed.

Its always worth checking tm as they always have the best designs and themes to use for your bussiness.

Also check out the other sections, like business themes and not just real estaste, some of the best designs to use for apps like OR are the really clean simple designs

awddesign
03-27-2007, 11:42 PM
Off topic:

Awt go here:
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/search/madrid/search-struct.jsp
http://www.copyright.gov/

also here to search:
http://www.copyright.gov/records/

you can contact me about this at my main site.

Albert



This was a older template monster theme i think

Lots of the older real estate themes once purchased for the perium price, are removed.

Its always worth checking tm as they always have the best designs and themes to use for your bussiness.

Also check out the other sections, like business themes and not just real estaste, some of the best designs to use for apps like OR are the really clean simple designs

AWT
03-28-2007, 04:11 PM
Thanks for the help awd

I think its not looking good for me tho on this domain name dispute issue, first thing its a huge usa copration, taking me to a usa dispute process.

I contacted them at adrforum.com, told them this was a international issue, relating to a usa company and me a uk company, there response was '' now they have applied to go threw this process, even tho the adrforum states clearly on there website ' a place for usa business/ trade mark disputes etr'' they say i have to go hrew the process.

This whole issue of Williams- Sonoma, Inc. The owners of the pottery barn, the pottery barn, pbkids, pbteens trade marks in the usa has got me really wound up big time

First they say i registered to domain in 2006 at which time they say they contacted me and sent a seist and desist letter to tell me to stop using the website.


This is rather strange as i purchased the domain in 2001, and set up the site in 2002, the a complete redesign again in 2004 and just recently at christmas


At this time i have be filed with a compliant and i need to respond back to it in 14 days - if i do not respond, the forum will look at the false information provided and take it all as fact.


I have some really big problems here

They need to prove three issues to 'STEAL MY DOMAIN NAME'

1. clear trademark issue
2. i have no interests in the domain
3. Use of bad faith in the domain

All i need to do is prove my poiints

1. i have interests in the business
2. i can prove my interests etc

The internet archive shows my site on my servers in 2003, only the default plesk holding page was indexed, same again in late 2004, then in 2004 it shows my site running with mambo

Me and my freiends have been dealing in splecialist english pottery for nearly 25 - using the name potter barn, potterybarn collectables etc, my friends father used to take us around car boots, coollecters fairs etc, and teached us alot, over the years i have bought abd sold lots of pottery items, mainly cornish ware.
I have now set up my own limited uk company and applied for uk patents for both my business name and doamin


The thing that really upsets me about this is the fact WSI have twisted information, made up false information and slandered me as a bad charcter ' lurking on the internet - trying to lure customers from google in my eveil lair'


Heres some things they describe me as

1. Because i'm english and should have known about a usa mark, they say just because a usa mark is in place, i must no about it and therefore registered the domain in order to steal the good wiill, a clear showing of bad faith

1. answer - i never even new anything about this comapny until they contacted me in 2006 trying o purchase the website/business/ my interets

2. I tryed selling the domain to they for more than $10,000

2. answer I explained my business, my stock level, the work i had done on the website etc, and they wanted me to sign a document saying i whould hand over all my interests and never use the term pottery barn in any business/ website again
They offered $250 - i explained my interests where worth at least £10,000 - after which time negoations broke down - I CLEARLY STATED TO TEHEM - NEVER CONTACT ME AGAIN - THIS DOMAIN IS NOT GOING TO BE FOR SALE

3. they say the use of the open directory project on my website in a links directory is bad faith

3. i don't really understand how they fiqured this out, but i have imported the whole odp directory, 2.5 million links in 16667 cats - they convinatinly browsed to the adult section, then the picture rating section and printed out these to try and prove bad faith in some manner

i don't understand how using the odp project is bad in anyway, they need to prove three points and have used very questionable methods in order to meet this

I just can not belive how much time i have wasted on this issue so far, and i have not even written my response which is probably a couple of days work.

I did write to the adrforum outlining that information provided to them is incorrect and mainly points are based on assumptsion, at first they rejected there complaint, but after some revisions, theyt resubmitted it and it is now in process

I think WSi have used this domain dispute process in order to get this valuable asset from me, they clearlry state they have spent hunderds of thousands of dollars on internet markerting etc, in se's

I do not think ther wher happy to have someone else in control of a domain with the same gTLD as them - I stated to them i'm not selling - so they only way they can get it is buy using the domain dispute process - it seems over the years they have used this same method to get many similar domians handed over to them

In all cases no one has done anything with there sites/ they clearly have no intersts and each owener never responseds - and guess what - they seem to have won them all

Not with me tho i will fight to the death on this issue - i have the force behind me being on the side on good, and they have the power of the dark side, everyone no even tho the dark side might be more powerfull and have more assets to engaguage in a battle, thegood side of the force will always win threw in the end

If all else fails and they do infact steal my domain from me i inteend to go to the usa on a extened holiday and camp outside there flagship store with a big sign saying i have been harrased, hounded and beaten to near death by a large usa corp

parmenti
03-30-2007, 09:31 PM
I don't know that it will do anything.. but I forwarded a quick message to Williams Sonoma expressing my dissapointment in their actions. Have they not learned from the eToy.com incident? It should additionally console you to go to www.nissan.com - This individual has been holding off Nissan Motor Corporation for well over a decade now. He should be applauded and perhaps you could get some tips from him. He operates an electronics store under his family name "nissan" and has been in business for quite some time. These corporations are terrible bullies.. I applaud you and wish you the best.

AWT
05-02-2007, 12:28 AM
I'm sorry to bear bad news but the ADRFORUM the popele who decide the issues of domain name disputes have looked at WSI complaint looked at my response and decided to give the domain to the massive usa comapny.

I have less than 3-4 days from this point to take legal actions against them in the uk courts of law

The problem i have tho is i have lost all faith in this issue

Maybe i am wrong - maybe because i owned the domain and new nothing about them WSI (potterybarn usa) for over 6 years and now they have a problem with me there must be a major problem

I can''y afford to waste lots of time on this issue and reviewing this asset against other assets i have, i cann't really afford to waste lots more time on this issue - therefore i'm maybe just going to let it gone and be ERASED from the internet

The ADRFORM clearly stated i have no right no interests and have been using the domain name in bad faith

They do not acknowledge my site was ever around before 2006 november, they say that because i entered into neogation for the domain with never came to anything, this is clear bad faith

they say that because one company in one region owns a trademark , everyone in every region around the world must no about it - and therefore this is another reason they use to transfer my domain away from me

This hole thing is rather strange , on reviewing other cases similar to mine, they always publish the full information from both parties, if you look at the decision, none of my resopnse which was 5 times bigger than theres was posted for referance, i clearly thought this information is like a open source archivce where otheres in the future could view this stuff , make there own descision and maybe take futher actions, but no nothing seems to have been archicved


Its a shame really, i could simply take them to a small claims court over the ownership, right to use and interestests in the domain name <potterybarn.org> but i similpy do not have the time or money to cover any legal expensices this could incurr, WSI on the other hand can spend thousands of dollars on this issue

maybe its best to just let it go and move onto other projects - its a shame tho as they deleted and never accpected that my Oscommerce website, online pottery collecters forum and huge link directory never amounted to a boni fided use of a domain name


I would suggest to anyone that ever owns lots of domains to NEVER EVER enter neogations yourself directy with third parties over the sale of it or other related items - always use a third party, you friend or lawyer to neogatoe on your behalf

Never let your domains sit there doing nothing for long periods of time, it also seems that if you site is down, be switched server or suchlike , you could also be in problems

I have learned alot here, but this information is so complex, learning it in like 3-4 days is just not possable - UNLESS YOUR SOME BIG COMPANY of course


I just checked the domain and it seems to have been transfered away from me

serkanserttop
05-02-2007, 04:34 AM
This is really f... up. This is very bothersome for small to medium enterprises (SMEs). You should sue them from the UK and ask for a billion dollars, that's what the big corporations understand. Sometimes very good lawyers take up these kinds of cases for free as they know they will win (even if they know they probably won't, they know that the companies are willing to settle for millions of dollars rather than going forward with the case) and they can make a bundle when they win as they take a large percentage of the earnings. (It is exactly the same reason why people hate lawyers - people perceive them as sharks.) Try checking out some law site forums and see how this can proceed and see if lawyers may be interested in representing you in return for a percentage of the settlement. You may not need to spend any money if a lawyer smells money. I don't think you should give up yet. If this were to happen to me, I would see this as a way to make millions of dollars. You know whom I would call a very good lawyer? Someone who would also sue ADRForum for neglicence.

AWT
05-06-2007, 04:44 PM
i have until the 10th of may

i just spoke to my domain register directnic.com who i have owned the domain for 6 years with and they advised me i need to take actions before 10th of may in lousiana usa

theres a problem here - usa poeple / courts and such are basis to usa interests

i was told i could take legal actions in the uk, now it seems i cann't


how is a uk citizen such as myself with nothing meant to start legal actions in the usa

its a joke, the hole thing is riddled with errors, everything they take as fact is basewd on assumption

i have deciced to move onwards - i cann't fight a issue such as this


i have spent 100$ on renewals over the years, maybe 200$ on hosting and i'm not even counting my time and effort plus search engine promtional work


WSI spent 1400$ to go threw the ADRFORUM process - of course if they spent that, the adrforum will of course look on there interests over mine

this hole thing smells realy bad

theres no archivce of the true informmation available for poeple like us with a intesrest to study and raise any issue they may be incorrect


i plan on purchasing the domain name potterybarndispute.com and publishing my informsation, the dispute and my old site on there, so anyone in the future can study all the details, like the guy on nissan.com


i just wish i had more money to fight this - i have wasted so much time and the ADRFORUM saying
1. i hve no bonfide bussiness or right to use my website
2. and the say i'm using the website in bad faith
3. they say i trying to lure WSI customers into my site for gains, its rather strange that i had a site i never made a single penny from over 6 years


i must admit WSI have good understanding of the icann process and i do not

they provided information that was incorrect but looked upon as fact

in a normal court of law, there whould be a outcry for this kind of issue

it seems big bussiness around the world are taking advantage of these sort of process to futher the interests and gain assets for small amounts of money



its wrong, but how can i proceed - everything it seems is stacked in WSI favour