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    Default May i pose a question

    Hi all i have been a silent visitor to this forum for some time now never bothering to register because i felt competent in my skills as a developer but over the last 12 months i have noticed changes in this forum and the way the OR script is being used this has culminated in my finally wanting to say something and pose the following question.

    Why do so many of you want to use the Open realty script for purposes that it was not originally designed for...?

    See i can't get my head around the mentality that takes a script that has regular updates some of which are critical and has been designed for a single purpose (Real Estate sites) and wants to make it into book stores or Automotive sites etc.

    What is the outcome for the client when updates become available...More expense while their whole site has to be redeveloped to take advantage of the updates or do they just have to miss out as the update process laid out in the documentation specifies that all files apart from the common.php are replaced with the updated code.

    To me the Open Realty script is excellent for Real Estate sites and is a very easy CMS to manage, However i feel that it's effectiveness and uniqueness is diluted by these perversions of the original script and while they do not directly affect Realty sites built with OR the fact that more and more of the support Forum is being taken up with issues created by these perversions does denegrate the script somewhat in the eyes of newcomers to the forum especially those who are looking for a specialised Realty script.

    If Members must use the script for other purposes other than Real Estate sites then surely they should start their opwn forum that deals with the issues created by the misuse of the OR script.

    Perhaps the creators could even bring out a version that can be updated without having to replace 98% of the script as laid out in the upgrade instructions thereby wiping out any if not all of the modifications that are made in order to use the script for these other purposes.

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    Default Re: May i pose a question

    The reason why people want to use OR for other purposes other than real estate , is that OR is so powerful and flexible, why not use it!

    Plus the other applications out there, even thought they are specific for certain uses, they still dont come close to OR.

    It's a two way street that has it pros and cons when you have members using it for other purposes other than RE.

    CON - in your words "more of the support Forum is being taken up with issues"

    PRO - new talent, programmers, ideas, and solutions arise

    There are many forum members that use for other than RE, and these members are always helping people here.
    I'm not going to say names, but they're very helpful and answer the PMs.

    So the issue is not as clear cut as it seems.
    RealEstate

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    OR can be used for classified systems, book sales, auto sales, escort services, and almost anything else without changing a single core file. If you don't change the core, updates are no problem.

    I actually stumbled upon OR when building an auto site and it was perfect for my needs with no changes to core files. This was before 2.0. With 2.0 it's even easier to use OR for many different applications.

    There is also the addon system which allows you to replace just about any core function with your own customized version so again, you are not modifying the core. You also will not lose any of your addons with an upgrade. The addon may need some changes to work with updated versions but in most cases, it doesn't. I have addons that I wrote while OR was in Alpha testing phases that still work today.

    I think OR is one of the most versatile scripts available and when setup correctly, can be used for an unlimited number of applications without changing any of the core functions making it fully upgradable in the future without needing to redevelop the whole site as you say.

    There are people that decide to change the core because they don't want to create an addon or pay someone to do it. These people are then creating themselves an unsupported version of OR. But, there are many generous people here that are still willing to help them through their problems. Also, some of the core changes made end up being a good addition to the script and are added to the core. I do not see any reason to make users go to another forum for help just because they changed some of the core functions. In my opinion, this is just wrong. People come here for help and it is up to the other members here to decide if they will help them or not. Most will because they are nice people.

    By your own admission, you have been a silent visitor to the site for a long time. You have sat back and provided no contribution to the forum, have not helped a sinlge person, and have not made any suggestions for improvement and now you feel you can say how it should be run?????

    As a 3 year member of this forum who has helped many people and as part of the development team, I have seen OR grow and expand to meet users needs better and faster than any other script I have used. This forum is one of the best support forums I have seen for any script and I wouldn't change 1 thing about it. In today's world it is nice to see so many people that are willing to take time out of their own busy lives to help others.

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    Ok your points are well made and taken yes i agree OR is a powerful system and yes i have been silent in the past mostly because there seemed a wealth of responses to queries and i have always believed that if too many people put forward a solution it only serves to confuse issues and the person seeking answers.

    Perhaps there should be a notation in the upgrade instructions PBFlash as they do say to replace all files except the common.php which indicates you replace the core files as well Which i take it would be essential if performing a critical upgrade.

    On the point about it being well suited for other than realty purposes this i'm afraid i don't see clearly as it lacks many of the features required for say a book sales site that requires various payment gateways, from my observation there is only a Paypal addon (commercial) and this primarily is to process listing fees through subscription, it does not have a shopping cart system, stock control or invoicing these would have to be manufactured at cost whereas one could employ all these through the use of oscommerce or any one of the hundreds of other scripts dedicated to online sales.

    The addon system is simplistic and for the most part brilliant for creating added functionality to the script however it too has limitations in that some features one might want would require modifications to the core files which again prevent easy upgrading.

    I come from a family that has a history of engineering (my grandfather was an aircraft engineer and my father worked as an electrical engineer ) so i have been raised on the principle of using the right tool for the job and it would seem to me that using OR for other reasons is like trying to tension a screw with a knife the result is either the screw or the knife recieve damage and the screw is never tensioned properly.

    anyway i thank you for allowing me to express my opinions and will take your answers and suggestions into consideration.

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    they do say to replace all files except the common.php which indicates you replace the core files as well
    Yes you do replace all core files in an upgrade. That doesn't mean you lose any functionality unless you modified core files instead of using the addon system.
    The addon system is simplistic and for the most part brilliant for creating added functionality to the script however it too has limitations in that some features one might want would require modifications to the core files which again prevent easy upgrading.system.
    Can you provide some examples??? I have created over 250 addons for people and have helped develop close to 100 OR based sites and have not had 1 instance where I couldn't create an addon for what the client wanted.

    I believe in using the right tool for the right job as well but for a lot of people, the right tool does not exist. There are millions of different scripts available for just about everything. Unfortunately, most of them do not fill a person requirements 100%. In a lot of instances, OR makes a good starting point instead of writing a whole script from scratch. I don't understand how you can say OR is not the right tool for an automotive site. What's the difference between displaying houses for sale or cars for sale? You just change the listing fields and you're up and running. I've setup OR to be a full classified system which was an upgrade from 1 script specifically written for classifieds. OR had so many more features than what you would consider the 'right tool for the job' just because it was designed to handle classifieds.

    Regardless, I'm not going to argue back and forth about this. I've worked on many sites, tried many scripts, and I will choose the right one for the job. That is not always OR but in a lot of cases it is.

    If you agree or not, that's up to you. I've worked with OR for a long time and know how versatile it is and where it can be used with very little work and maybe a few addons and still have it be fully upgradable (exactly as instructed in the upgrade documentation) without any issues.

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    Default Re: May i pose a question

    Quote Originally Posted by ventureestates View Post

    I come from a family that has a history of engineering (my grandfather was an aircraft engineer and my father worked as an electrical engineer ) so i have been raised on the principle of using the right tool for the job and it would seem to me that using OR for other reasons is like trying to tension a screw with a knife the result is either the screw or the knife recieve damage and the screw is never tensioned properly.
    I agree entirely with (and somewhat resemble) the above statement.

    However, if a knowledgable DEVELOPER wishes to modify Open-Realty to suit their needs I agree with that entirely as well, and the Open-Realty license encourages it. Open-Realty with only basic tweaking can fill a lot of roles for online applications. What I don't agree with is people who are not experienced DEVELOPERS who attempt to modify Open-Realty's core files, who then post to these forums about their problems expecting immediate solutions when they have taken on a task (usually a paid project) that is beyond their capabilities.


    Quote Originally Posted by pbflash
    there are many generous people here that are still willing to help them through their problems.
    And pbflash is probably the most patient one here, and puts up with more forum nonsense than I ever could. What I personally don't want to see is this forum becoming a replacement for education and experience. This support forum is not for learning PHP/APACHE/mySQL and is not a replacement for getting support from one's host when that is applicable.

    In a nutshell, modifying the templates and creating add-ons to turn Open-Realty into a bait-shop or otherwise is awesome if you can do it, but change the core without knowing what you are doing, and you deserve any pain or especially any lack of support you get. I have used this script for so many different things I can't remember tham all.
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    Default Re: May i pose a question

    Again thankyou gentlemen for your replies, I am not trying to inflame, influence or degrade anyone or anything here i am simply trying to grasp an understanding of why people use this script for other purposes.

    I have followed this script from the first 2.x.x versions and have even stumbled across a "Supreme realty" version also which too bears the transparent technologies label (i think this was somewhat of a failed version as there are no updates for it).

    Your answers reflect your deep appreciation of this script and i will certainly give it full consideration next time i am looking for a CMS to build upon.

    Thankyou

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    I have followed this script from the first 2.x.x versions and have even stumbled across a "Supreme realty" version
    I believe this was actually someone who just took OR, replaced all instances or OR with SR and tried to sell it as their own. There are no updates because he was shutdown pretty quick.

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    Who is "ventureestates"?

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    I just have to add my two cents. I for one have built both realty sites and auto sites in OR. I don't know how many of you have used things like AFCommerce or OSCommerce but they are labor intensive when trying to add new items. With OR I can load a product in a matter of minutes. It's OPEN SOURCE, therefore nobody can say it "can't" be used for a certain application. I think innovation breeds success. And if people can use their innovative thinking to advance Open-Realty than by all mean's let's do it. I hope to one day see "Open-Auto" right next to "Open-Realty".

    Okay so it was like 20 cents...but hey....I can afford it!

    Carl

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