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    While playing to handhelds and such may be something to do it must always be judged on its ability to make sales - that is what the RE biz is about, right? My primary listing S/W suite can be controlled, to some extent even using the Phone.com 1.0 browser. It does not make sense to try a one-size-fits-all solution. One must look at the characteristics of the device to be served then tailor specific templates to that. Dealing with someone at lunch browsing props is significantly a different affair than the desktop user. My point was that the template intended towards a particular audience only needs to serve that audience- period. Handhelds lack the size to entertain sites made to 800x600 and larger. Simply replaying that content for the smaller size screen will always be second best no matter what a bunch of publicly funded geeks at MIT - home of the bland web site - think about it. Until you have actually served the small browser successfully you cannot appreciate the difference in marketing tactics.

    Many trends and fads come and go in the RE business. The "virtual tour" idea is a good example. 2 years ago the trades were full of quotes about how this was a must have feature. Now, as we predicted, NAR's latest research shows that most would be buyers prefer a good selection of stills, good navigation and a quick line of direct communications instead. Now the trades - the same ones - are talking about serving to handhelds. We have, as I said, been serving handhelds for over 5 years. Those users appear to like concise lists and easy searches and the ability to connect with the broker. We do that - but not from the same code base.

    Of course this is a matter of opinion for me. I also don't want the business of a Realtor who cares about validation. If the fact that we always double sales for our clients within 45 days is not enough for them then they need to be someone else's problem. The business of real estate is sales. A tool that makes the sales process work must adhere to the standard of effectiveness and no other. Looking at a real estate sales site in terms different than its ability to move the props does not serve the customer. The customer who wants to run the show is the customer I send to someone else.

    I do not care if you like what I think. In fact I hope you run the opposite way entirely. That way I never have you in competition for my customers.

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    Hi Guys

    While I appreciate all comments oppinions and advice. I do feel we are moving off subject here and getting into a discussion that is not relavent to my original request for help on monster templates.

    May be this is a good example for the need for a debates thread?

    Cheers

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    What else are you looking for. One said it was a bad idea because of "standards". One said it was easy with 2.x and I said if you don't know how to do it - contact me. If something was missed tell us what it was. This is not such a giant proposal. Like I said I think it is great to put a good commercial face on this app. The little work it would take to do it will be well worth it - but it is custom as the functions in OR are based entirely on loops. The key to display is to stop the loop at the point that your desired data is available. That's not a rewrite of all that much. For example I never - never! used the rows for search results. I use the more standard "business card" style results much like your template. Design and function 2 hrs. and most of that because I have no talent for "design". The only thing stopping you is you.

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    Hi Tombones

    Thanks for the feedback and comments. I have had several failed attempts with editing templates to work with OR. Mainly due to my lack of knowledge regarding php. I have no problem working with programes such as frontpage along with templates but obviously that is a different matter. With my lack of experience I suppose asking the basic question regarding converting templates to work seems to be very difficult.

    I suppose my first question should be where do I start?

    I have a basic install on my test site and I have a html template (above)?


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    What I would like to do is setup a walkthrough for converting a OR installation to use a premium template.

    I would setup a clean install of OR and give all taking part full access to the server then I would like to start a thread that takes each stage and completes it giving full instructions of what has been done in basic terms. Hopefully this would form a good walkthrough for all members to follow. If you are interested in contributing some of your time and knowledge to this then please let me know.
    Last edited by lasor; 01-08-2005 at 05:22 PM.

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    Hi

    ref: Could somebody please help me. I have been looking at the premium templates from Monster Templates and was wondering how hard it would be to introduce them into OR.
    For example I have purchased several of the templates that I would like to use keeping the whole layout the same and just add the content from OR, such as featured properties login.--end--

    Just so I know
    do you want free help Or do you want to pay for it?

    Al
    http://ore.awddesign.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by awddesign

    Just so I know
    do you want free help Or do you want to pay for it?

    Al
    http://ore.awddesign.co.uk
    Hi Al

    I am affraid I am not in a financial postion to request paid help and I am currently trying to learn therefore I am asking for free help. However I would be interested in a quote for a copy of your design http://www.bookavacation.co.uk/ if you would like to PM me.

    Thanks for your response

    Lasor

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    I think you are where most realtors who come to open-realty are. They need a solution, i.e. a professional looking, user friendly web site. Whether you use standards or not, it takes experience and time to produce a professional template. It is possible to port a commercial template to OR but if you would like to share it you will mostly likely need the permission of the copyright holder.

    Where to start? You don't need to know much about PHP, what you do need to know, is the OR template concept. I have written a brief how-to which you can find at: http://support.open-realty.org/showt...ghlight=how-to. The how-to discusses the concept behind an OR ver 1+ template. If you follow the concept you can build a template or port a design in FrontPage, Dreamwearver or any html editor. I don't recommend FrontPage. Although the How-to is written for tables my preference is to handcraft the template in css/xhtml.

    After you have an understanding of how the OR template works then sketch out how you want the template to look and what colors you want. There are several usability problems with the monster template you selected so I also recommend researching how design effects usability and accessibility.

    Several of us create and port templates for a reasonable fee and thanks that many realtors and agents find and appreciate the value they receive. When you hire a professional web designer you get more than just the template, you also get thier experience on enhancing the usability of your site. There are also several professional quality free templates available here, AWT has just contributed the "nice blue design" awddesign has contributed many commercial quality templates which have been downloaded over 2000 times, and my css/xhtml winds design are examples of free templates, there are many others. I should also mention the vertical-menu template is high quality and easy to modify.

    Just a brief mention about CSS/xhtml. It is not meant to be a one-size fits all but when you use standards it can make your site accessible and useable on ANY standard compliant browser or device. That is the beauty and elegance of CSS/xhtml design.

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    Hi Frank

    Thanks for your feedback and comments.

    I think if I explain a little about myself you will understand what I am about...First of all I am not a realtor infact I am currently unemployed, Obviously being unemployed leaves me with a lot of spare time and I have decided to use this time to try and learn a little about web design. I choose the OR project firstly because it was free and secondly because it involved using a database which is something else I am trying to learn in my spare time.

    With the help of this forum and members I have so far manage to create some sort of start with www.website its not great but it is a start and estate agents have signed up to it. For this help I have made a small donation to OR

    My honest intention is to try and create something more professional looking so that eventually I may even be able to earn a living from it.

    I appreciate that a number of guys on this site are creating and converting excelent templates and can appreciate they must charge for there services. This is why I want to attempt to create the site my self. It will not only give me a better understanding of OR, but will also give me a better understanding of web design in general.

    Cheers

    Lasor
    Last edited by lasor; 03-13-2005 at 09:23 PM.

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    Lasor,

    As a result of the thinking inspired by your post I have been able to develop relationships with several template houses. This would not have happened without you. In return we would be happy to fit OR into the template you showed above free of charge - deal? If this works for you let's get on it.

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    Hi Tombones

    Thank you for your response I have sent you a PM.

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